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It’s in the bible

Stop using the argument that “it’s in the bible”.   Here’s all I can think of when I hear “it’s in the bible”….slavery rules, stoning disobedient teens, marrying captive women.

Exodus 21

New International Version (NIV)

Exodus 21

 1 “These are the laws you are to set before them:

Hebrew Servants

 2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free. 5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

 7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do.

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

King James Version (KJV)

  18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

 19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

 20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

 21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


Deuteronomy 21:11 NIV
New International Version
If you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife.








October 1, 2011 at 6:52 pm Leave a comment

Making the USA a Theocracy

Texas wants to make the USA a theocracy and it’s starting by teaching school children that it already is a theocracy.  At least, it’s attempting to.  By teaching that it is a theocracy, it will pave the way for children to later create laws that re-

When the State Board of Education meets this week to tackle revisions to the social studies curriculum in Texas public schools, some of the most contentious public debate is likely to center on recommendations by two men who want more emphasis on the role of Christianity in how the nation was formed.  The ideas submitted by well-known Christian conservatives David Barton and the Rev. Peter Marshall could influence how social studies is taught in Texas for the next decade, teaching that the USA was built on “biblical principles”. 

“I’m an evangelical Christian, and I think David Barton and Peter Marshall are completely out to lunch,” said John Fea, a history professor at Messiah College in Pennsylvania, a Christian institution. “They are not experts on social studies and history. Neither of them are trained in history. They are preachers who use the past and history as a means of promoting a political agenda in the present.” 

“When a Religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its Professors are obliged to call for help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” – Benjamin Franklin (from a letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780;)

Perhaps Republicans need to stop putting their hands out for the government.  They clamor for government employees to do things they don’t want to do.  They want government to teach religion to their kids, instead of doing what clearly should be doing with their children themselves.  If you want your kid to have more religious influence, take him to church more than once a week.  Take him to religious-based after-school programs.  Do Christian activities with him after school and/or on weekends.  If you really want it taught in school – enroll him to a private school.  These are your options.

But these options aren’t good enough. Probably because they require work, they require time, they require sacrifice.  So instead, they want Big Government to come their aid, to teach their religion to their kids.  Of course, religious experience varies greatly by individual.  Biblical interpretation varies greatly even within a single religion.  Much less than dozens of various branches of Christianity. 

Religion is a belief.  Every definition includes that word.  For a driver’s license, we go to government offices.  For education, we go to schools.  For beliefs, we go to a church.  You have to do the first two things (more or less).  But you don’t have to go to church, or send your child to religious after-shcool programs, or send him to private school.  There lies the problem. These Republicans want the choice removed from others.  Supporters want the responsibility lifted from themselves and placed in the hands of the government that they so repeateadly claim can’t do anything helpful and should stay out of private lives of citizens. 

Republicans should stop expecting government to parent their children.  If they want their child to have conservative Christian teachings, they can stop howling for the government, and do it themselves.  If they want to train kids to be soldiers, as Peter Marshall himself said to the Wall Street Journal,  “in an all-out moral and spiritual civil war for the soul of America”, they can do it themselves.  To me, it sounds similar to what the clerics in the middle east are telling their youth. 

Keep theocracy out of democracy.  Some quotes from our Founding Fathers:

“The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretence, infringed.” – James Madison (Original wording of the First Amendment; Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).)

“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.” – Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” – James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)

Every man “ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.” – George Washington (Letter to the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789)

“Question with boldness even the existence of a god.” – Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of… Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.”– Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

“Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error
all over the earth.” – Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)

“Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?” – John Adams

“As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.” – (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 – signed by President John Adams.)

January 12, 2010 at 3:59 pm Leave a comment

Theocracy – Just Say No

Excellent article on Christian America: 
By Jon Meacham | NEWSWEEK
Published Apr 4, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Apr 13, 2009

While we remain a nation decisively shaped by religious faith, our politics and our culture are, in the main, less influenced by movements and arguments of an explicitly Christian character than they were even five years ago. I think this is a good thing—good for our political culture, which, as the American Founders saw, is complex and charged enough without attempting to compel or coerce religious belief or observance. It is good for Christianity, too, in that many Christians are rediscovering the virtues of a separation of church and state that protects what Roger Williams, who founded Rhode Island as a haven for religious dissenters, called “the garden of the church” from “the wilderness of the world.” As crucial as religion has been and is to the life of the nation, America’s unifying force has never been a specific faith, but a commitment to freedom—not least freedom of conscience. At our best, we single religion out for neither particular help nor particular harm; we have historically treated faith-based arguments as one element among many in the republican sphere of debate and decision. The decline and fall of the modern religious right’s notion of a Christian America creates a calmer political environment and, for many believers, may help open the way for a more theologically serious religious life. 

April 8, 2009 at 5:39 pm Leave a comment

Church & State?

Girl, 6, thrown on fire for being ‘lowest class’

Want prayer in school, intelligent design, and other mergers of church & state?  Try Afghanistan where women aren’t allowed to read or go out after dark.  Try out India and enjoy that theocracy: 

 A man [late teens], incensed that a 6-year-old girl chose to walk through a path reserved for upper caste villagers, pushed her into burning embers.

Hindus believe there are five main groups of people, four of which sprang from the body of the first man.  Dalits are considered so low in the social order that they don’t even rank among the four classes that make up the caste system.

“Dalits are seen to pollute higher caste people if they come in touch with them, hence the ‘untouchables,’. If a higher caste Hindu is touched by, or even had a Dalit’s shadow fall across them, they consider themselves to be polluted and have to go through a rigorous series of rituals to be cleansed.”


I’m happy I was born into your relatively nice life here, b/c I could have been born a Dalit. 

Teach your kids religion and faith at home, that’s YOUR job.  The state should not be teaching children about faith and spirituality.  


April 30, 2008 at 3:56 pm Leave a comment

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